Tuesday, 23 June 2015

THE EU REFERENDUM



The following motion from RIC Edinburgh was passed unanimously at the RIC National Forum held in Perth on May 30th:-

"This National Forum calls upon the International Working Group to prepare a paper for a RIC Scotland campaign to address the forthcoming EU referendum. This paper should be circulated to all branches and members for discussion, prior to a National Forum held no later than September."

It was also agreed that branches should initiate discussion and actively seek a wider engagement with others from socialist organisations in Europe, migrant workers groups, Women for Independence, etc. This follows from the precedent established by RIC during the referendum campaign of organising on the basis of 'internationalism from below'.

Edinburgh RIC decided to initiate the debate by asking Allan Armstrong and Donny Gluckstein to put the case for voting for and against staying in the EU in the referendum, at its meeting on 8th June. These are very much preliminary contributions. It was also recognised that a case could also be made for abstaining. Other meetings will be organised and other RIC groups contributions cirulated.

Furthermore, comments from RIC members will be added to the Edinburgh RIC blog.


1. THE CASE FOR A 'YES' VOTE TO STAY IN THE EU
Allan Armstrong

The background

Following the Second World War, and after Germany and France had been in three wars against each other, key European figures decided that their only possible future lay in greater economic and political unity. It was clear to them that the major European states were no longer the dominant powers in the world, and any future intra-European wars would prove suicidal The USA and USSR had taken their place.. Therefore, one of the major considerations behind the initial negotiations that led to the EEC was the desire to create a new European-wide imperial centre, which could survive in the new post-war world.

We have arrived at the current phase of the EU in five main stages:-

1.         The creation of the European Coal and Steel Community (free trade in iron, coal and steel, and no more wars between France and Germany over vital resources) in 1951 (6 members).

2.         The creation of the European Economic Community (towards a complete free trade area with free movement of capital and labour) in 1956 under the Treaty of Rome (6 members)

3.         The creation of an expanded EEC/EU. The UK joined the EEC in 1973 followed by Ireland, Sweden and Denmark (10 members). The next two major waves of accessions followed the ending of fascist or military regimes in southern Europe, and the demise of the Warsaw Pact in eastern Europe. There are now 28 EU members and 5 applicant members.

3.         The creation of the European Union (a political union with shared citizenship) in 1993 under the Maastricht Treaty (12 members).

4.         The creation of the Euro currency, now used by 19 member and 2 non-member states. This is run by the European Central Bank (ECB), of which the largest shareholder is the Deutsche Bundesbank.

Power is mainly divided between the heads of the member states, represented in the European Council, and the European Commission, which has a more all-EU identity. The European Parliament is very much a subordinate element of the EU set-up.  Germany has replaced France as the most powerful member state, due to its greater economic strength and population, particularly since German reunification. Germany is now the state with the greatest ability to determine policy in the European Council and ECB. However, the European Commission is less a centre for competing member states, and more a body where multinational corporations can make their influence directly felt. This is where the TTIP initiative came from.


The politics of the EU

The underlying politics of the EU have been dominated by an alliance between Christian Democrats (social conservatives) and Social Democrats. Until the 1990's their policies were therefore largely based on the idea of the social market, with protection for small farmers and workers. This contrasted with the more 'free' market politics of the USA on one hand, and the statist politics of the USSR on the other.

From the early 1990's, following the collapse of the USSR and the wider impact of neo-liberal politics (originating in the 1970's Pinochet's post-coup Chile and taken up in the 1980's by the Reagan and Thatcher governments) there has been a move away from the earlier social to a neo-liberal market model in the EU.


The UK and the EEC

The UK, as a declining imperial power, has had to adapt to the growing power of the EU. After the Second World War, both Conservatives and Labour agreed that Britain's economic future lay with continued trade with the Empire (renamed Commonwealth), and closer political links with the USA. They decided not to join the EEC negotiations. By the 1970's it was patently obvious that there was no future in building the economy around trade with the Empire, which had fallen apart. This was when the British ruling class decided that the UK would have to join the EEC.

Under the Conservatives, the UK joined the EEC in 1973. In 1974 the new Labour government was committed to a referendum on continued membership. The Labour government campaigned to stay in. The opposition came from two sources - Left and Right.

The Labour Left and British Communist Party opposed membership, because they thought the UK could be pushed further along the social democratic path on a 'British road to socialism''. They saw the social market model of the EEC as a barrier to achieving this.  There were aspects of the UK economy and social provision, which were more progressive, e.g. the system of agricultural subsidies (c.f .the EEC's Common Agricultural Policy), whilst the NHS provided a beacon for directly state provided welfare (c.f. state subsidised private insurance health provision in Germany and France).

However, there was also a Right opposition to the EEC involving small businessmen and various reactionary British chauvinists, worried about the UK's continued economic decline and the demise of the British Empire. The anti-immigrant, ultra-unionist, Tory MP, Enoch Powell, led this Right.

At that time of greater working class confidence it was possible to argue that staying out of the EEC would allow the Left greater influence in the UK. However, even then, the dangers of the Left becoming involved in a British chauvinist campaign were apparent. In 1975, I attended an anti-EEC rally organised by the CPGB-dominated Edinburgh Trades Council. Amongst those on the platform was a Powellite speaker, whilst the wall behind the platform was adorned with a large Union Jack!


The UK and the EU

By the 1990's, though, there was little doubt where the primary axis of anti-EU politics lay in the UK - on the Right. But this Right was itself divided over how to address the situation.

Thatcher, followed by Blair (both backed by the US), argued for the UK to be in the EU, and to act as a 'Trojan Horse' for US-style neo-liberal economics. They wanted to undermine the EU's social market provision. By pushing for the rapid accession of former Warsaw Pact countries, they hoped to find neo-liberal allies for their strategy. These new member states would also diminish the influence of the core seven states, (the original Six plus Spain), particularly Germany. At the same time, both Tories and New Labour pushed for British exemptions when it came to social provision, so they could undercut working conditions, e.g. on maximum working hours.

Due to the continued decline of British imperialism, the Thatcher/Blair strategy of the UK becoming the leading force in the EU, in alliance with the ex-Warsaw Pact countries, did not come to pass. This economic decline is measured in real terms such as labour productivity, as opposed to profits from fictitious capital and property values loved by the City of London and successive British governments. German industrial and financial power has increased. Germany now enjoys hegemony over the former Warsaw Pact countries too.

Furthermore, much to the chagrin of the many, including sections of an increasingly atomised working class susceptible to the politics of fear, the accession of eastern and southern European countries has led to large-scale economic immigration into the UK. The neo-liberal economic politics of successive UK government's have led to particular skill shortages due to the neglect of industrial training, (e.g. in the construction and repair sector where Polish workers have filled an economic niche), the driving down of pay and conditions in the NHS and Local Authority care work, and the expansion of a low pay service work at the cost of better paid industrial work. These types of employment have all proved attractive to migrant workers, particularly from eastern and southern Europe.


The emergence of a new independent British Right

Therefore, the UK failure to take the lead in the EU, or even to maintain its relative economic position, has led to the emergence of a new independent Right, not just within the Tory Party (c.f. the Powellites of the late 1960's 70's), but outside, with the initial rise of the BNP, and now the right populist UKIP.

UKIP has been able to force Cameron to promise a referendum providing for a Brexit option. UKIP won the largest number of MEPs in last year's Euro-elections. It has been cultivating links in the UK with Loyalists, in the European Parliament with other national chauvinist and anti-immigrant parties, whilst also exploring extra-parliamentary links with other far Right parties, e.g. the Front National in France and even openly fascist parties, such as Jobbik in Hungary.

If UKIP and the Tory Right were to get Brexit, then their aim would be for the UK to become an offshore European economy, with British subjects taking the work of EU migrants. They hope the UK would be able to compete internationally through imposing slashed pay, economic conditions and welfare benefits.  UK defence and police spending would be increased, with particular attention focussed on immigration control. The remaining liberal social features of 'British' society would also likely come under attack - human, women's and gay rights, whilst the reactionary features of the UK state would be buttressed against ongoing moves towards a more open and secular society. The politics of fear would be pushed to new levels to counter the effects of the social breakdown, which would inevitably arise.


The battle on the Right over the EU

The Conservatives and Labour hope to use this Right wing campaign for their own ends, to buttress their failing strategy of subverting the EU from within. Cameron is seeking negotiations with the intent either of lowering the EU's social regulations across the board, or of getting further exemptions for the UK. He wants to protect the City of London from the threat of even the mildest EU banking regulation and to further undermine other social regulation, e.g. over health and safety. Both the Conservatives and Labour are viciously playing the anti-migrant card, since they too need scapegoats when pushing their austerity measures.

The majority of the British ruling class, backed by the US, is behind Cameron's strategy of  'reforming' the EU, or the UK's relationship with the EU, as far as possible, before throwing their weight behind a 'Yes' vote in the referendum. However, both the Conservative government-led 'Yes' and a UKIP-led 'No' campaign share a common Right wing drive - to intensify the attack on workers pay and conditions, to further privatisation, and to promote scapegoating by attacking migrants.

Therefore, at first, the political logic would appear to be 'a plague on both your houses' and to recommend abstaining. However, I think that a 'No to the EU' vote would pull politics much further to the Right in the UK.


The politics of the EU referendum compared to the Scottish independence referendum

Cameron has just declared who is able to vote in his EU referendum. In direct contrast to the progressive franchise in the Scottish independence referendum last year, this referendum excludes 16-18 year olds and I.5 million EU citizens living in the UK (including an SNP MEP).  Anti-migrant politics will completely dominate the campaign. Migrants' position will most likely be worsened under Cameron's negotiations prior to him recommending a 'Yes' vote (e.g. the removal of welfare benefits for EU immigrants for a number of years, although not the obligation to pay N.I. or taxes).

However, in the event of a 'No' vote and Brexit, the position of 1.5 million EU citizens (not to mention many other non-EU residents in the UK) will become much more precarious. Their presence will provide an opportunity for the Far Right to regroup, and begin a massive campaign of intimidation, whilst mainstream politics will be moved even further Right. Migrant families would face the most immediate and direst consequences following Brexit, but such a Right wing victory would effect us all.


Another Europe is Possible

If those of us on the Left are ever asked,  "What has the EU ever done for us?", the answer clearly lies in the much more multi-ethnic society we now live in. In this respect, Edinburgh has very much changed for the better. It is a very different place to the narrow provincial city of 20 years ago.

Many migrant families joined the 'Yes' campaign, highlighted particularly by the Edinburgh North and Leith Walk day of action on Leith Walk on August 23rd , and RIC's September 17th rally on the Meadows.

The 'No' campaign will be completely dominated by the anti-migrant politics of the Far Right. Any socialists attempting to fight for a 'No' vote on their own anti-EU grounds will be even more marginal than the Red Paper Collective was in the 'No' campaign during the Scottish independence referendum.

There will be a number of 'Yes' campaigns. Whether the Conservatives, Labour and Lib-Dems will form a new 'Better Together in the EU' campaign is a moot point. However, together or apart they will be pushing the same neo-liberal austerity agenda. The SNP will mount its own liberal 'yes' campaign, with qualified support for migrant workers. They will also be looking to the possibility of a Scottish 'Yes'/ rUK 'No' to vote precipitate another Scottish independence referendum.

Given the horrific consequences of a 'No' vote, the continued anti-working class basis of the mainstream unionist 'Yes' campaigners, and the inevitable weaknesses of any official SNP 'Yes' campaign (as we also saw in the Scottish referendum campaign), I would argue that RIC should launch its own 'Yes' campaign. Following our 'Yes' campaign in the recent referendum, we should appeal to socialist organisations in the EU (including the rest of the UK), and to migrant workers organisations in the UK, to join us in new 'Yes campaign'. Another Europe is possible.


2. THE CASE FOR A 'NO' VOTE AND LEAVING THE EU
Donny Gluckstein

EURO DEBATE

Capitalism and imperialism throughout its history - 

    Schuman 1950
    develop intra-European trade by reducing tariffs and other barriers to the expansion of trade, (Iron and Steel community)
    achieve conditions for better utilisation of labour.

COLD WAR PERIOD

Raymond Aron’s contention that the ECSC was intended as a movement away from United States domination

1957 - EEC The European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC or Euratom) founded in 1957 with the purpose of creating a specialist market for nuclear in Europe, developing nuclear energy and distributing it to its member states
Germany economic - French military/imperial

1973 UK joins - France is against - why? Britain lost empire, not sure of US - so plays for both… France afraid of losing hegemony but too small to counter US/Russia

EU TODAY

Development of capitalism. Pressure for states to cluster together in regional blocs.  Since the 1970s huge “multinational” firms began to dominate Europe’s economy.

Only 1 percent of Britain’s top bosses supported leaving the EU in a recent poll, but almost half wanted to “reform” it into something looser.

But contradictions - City of London loves EU. Levels of investment in German companies vastly greater than UK, so small firms feel threatened.

Germany 115, Sweden, Denmark, France, Finland, Luxemburg, Austria etc. UK 94 - Italy, Ireland, Slovakia, Baltic states etc.

CONSEQUENCES

Fortress Europe - led to thousands of drownings
Austerity in Greece, but don’t forget suffering already imposed on Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal etc. - domination of Germany using these countries…
TTIP
Make war impossible - but look at break-up of Yugoslavia - Serbia .v. Croatia, look at Ukraine today…

REFERENDUM

UKIP wants tougher immigration controls through Brexit. We stand at forefront - Stand up to UKIP in Thanet… etc./ UAF / M21 / Glasgow’s Welcome Refugees campaign - recently at Glasgow girls meeting - stressed this…

SIDING WITH CAMERON won’t weaken racism. Choice of racisms - based on skin or E European. 
Siding with bosses is the opposite of workers’ internationalism. Show solidarity with Greece by breaking up the EU. Show solidarity with victims of imperialism in Middle East by breaking up fortress Europe - in just the same way that we argued for real solidarity of workers north and south of the Scottish border by breaking up the British state.

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NOT PRETENDING IT IS EASY… BUT IF YOU DON’T TAKE PRINCIPLED STANCE… YOU TAKE UNPRINCIPLED STANCE…

Discussion

The following people contributed to the discussion - Alistair, Ally, Allyson, Callum, Kate, Pat, Penny, Roger, Sophia


Additional points made for a 'Yes' vote included:-

The EU bureaucracy has often been blamed, particularly by New Labour, for forcing through neo-liberal measures. However, as can be seen in the case of continued public postal services and publicly owned railway companies in other EU countries, it is quite possible to defend these. New Labour was just using the EU as an excise for pushing through or accepting the neo-liberal policies it wanted anyway.

The UK pulling out of the EU would not end Fortress Europe, but just add another set of high walls further, increasing the difficulties for asylum seekers and others. UKIP and the far Right want more barriers not less.

The importance of a 'Yes' vote in Scotland and a 'No' vote in England, in providing the opportunity to trigger off another Scottish independence referendum was emphasised.

Additional points made for a 'No' vote included:-

The social provision provided by the EU is pretty worthless. Only workers taking their own action can defend pay and conditions. We should not be encouraging people in believing a 'Yes' vote can help workers protect themselves.

The social provision in the EU came about as a result of the Catholic social thinking of the Christian Democrats, particularly in Bavaria and the Rhineland. Such thinking had always been a counter to socialism, and after 1945, the main motivation was to counter the influence of the state provided social provision in the USSR. It is not surprising that after the demise of the USSR, the EU has increasingly abandoned social provision.

Farage isn't the main enemy and leaving the EU is a challenge to the British ruling class and particularly the City of London. They would ensure that it was defeated, because it wasn't in their interests.  Therefore we must be seen to support  those who oppose the British ruling class.

Summing up

Donny emphasised the fact that the EU was a bosses club, committed to imperialism and austerity. He argued that that the overwhelming majority of the British ruling class, backed by the US, wanted the UK to stay in the EU. Their economic weight would be reflected in the official 'Yes' campaign, against which the 'No' campaign, even with the Daily Mail, would be completely outgunned. Therefore, there was little danger of a socialist 'No' campaign contributing to a 'No' victory led by the Right.

The inability of Syriza to put forward its anti-austerity programme whilst within the EU means that we should be offering solidarity to the Greek people in leaving the EU.

We are all internationalists. Socialists can still unite to defend migrant workers. Socialists should stick to their anti-EU principles and recommend a 'No' vote.

Allan said that Donny had really made a case for an abstention. The unionist, imperialist and monarchist UK state was the original bosses' club and had been the largest imperial power on this planet. The UK government was just as committed to austerity as the EU bureaucracy. It was the UK's Labour government that declared Iceland a terrorist state when it refused to buckle down to City of London demands. British owned banks like the Anglo-Irish and Bank of Scotland have played a major part in enforcing austerity and house repossessions in Ireland.

Donny's arguments reminded him of the SWP's position in the 1979 Scottish Devolution referendum, when they argued 'No to Devolution, Yes to Revolution'. Well they got 'No' to Devolution, but instead of revolution they got Thatcher!

Allan thought that a populist 'No' vote could not be ruled out, in a context when mainstream parties are losing support throughout Europe. Furthermore, there are occasions when socialists do fight alongside (not with) key sections of the ruling class. That is when the alternative is even more reactionary. Socialists campaigned for a 'Yes' to gay marriage in the recent Irish referendum, alongside an Irish government coalition delivering austerity, and an official campaign receiving considerable corporate backing.

Finally Allan argued for applying the 'September 19th Test'. After a 'No' vote, who would be out on the streets celebrating? The motley crew of rampaging loyalists and fascists in George Square would be nothing compared to what happens after a 'No' vote prior to Brexit. The DUP would be celebrating the prospect of the erection of border posts in Ireland, and with the help of loyalists try to re-establish Unionist ascendancy. Migrant workers everywhere in the UK would be living in fear. This is not a prospect that can be ruled out.




           
           
           




Wednesday, 10 June 2015

CAPITALISM AND CLIMATE CHANGE

CAPITALISM AND CLIMATE  CHANGE

Ric Lander (co-editor, Bright-Green.org), Ellen Young (Secretary of a Broad Alliance of Community groups, speaking in a personal capacity), Pete Cannell (RIC)

Ric Lander - The accumulation of capital affects the way we manage nature. The economics of neo-liberalism has led to more extreme weather over the past 20 years. The solution the corporations advocate is having a carbon market. Instead of regulation they argue for bio-diversity offsetting. This approach has led to a relentless drive to utilise riskier and more marginal energy sources. They are now drilling in fragile environments like the Arctic, using the tar sands of Canada and fracking under peoples homes in the UK.

More and more investment is going into fuel extraction. Last week a conference was held at Edinburgh Council for pension fundholders, Despite the conference supposedly being about ethical investment, the talk was about the investment opportunities climate change would bring. One person even argued that because of the resultant increasing criminality this would create investment opportunities for new prisons!

For the past decade the main focus, even of many environmentalists, has been on emissions reductions. The supermarkets are happy with creating new 'green' products for sale.

There is a strong link between carbon emissions and personal wealth. Blaming individuals is the wrong approach. This even leads to reactionary demands for population controls. It is not the poor who have created the emissions problems but the rich.

The answer to this is Climate Justice. This recognises that the prime responsibility for climate change lies with by the richest in the North, not with the poorest in the South.

The next thing is for a Just Transition. When Thatcher moved against the mining industry whole communities were destroyed. Going for a just transition, when moving away from fossil fuels, means involving the communities and providing new jobs for those involved.

The UK is home to some of the major energy and mining companies like Shell, BP and Rio Tinto. They have massive influence and enjoy huge formal and cultural support. They are deeply resistant to being challenged and are in denial about the damage they do.

There are campaigning organisations like the London Mining Network which links indigenous communities and trade unions. There is currently a campaign at Edinburgh University against university funds being invested in fossil fuels.

Capitalism will turn every crisis to its own advantage. Whilst other societies have also suffered because of short termism and disregard for sustainability, neo-liberal capitalism is now threatening us all on a much greater scale.


Ellen Young said that the continued resort to gas production was bad for the climate. Fracking and other unconventional gas extraction also led to the use of toxic chemicals in the extraction, with dangers to groundwater, radioactive waste water and greatly increased methane emissions.

The Falkirk area has been one of the first to be subjected to fracking.  However, at no point were the communities consulted. Indeed the planning applications were made under delegated powers, so that even the majority of councillors knew nothing about them.

When few people accidentally got wind of what was afoot, they organised within the community. They came up with a Community Mandate. This placed an emphasis on all the positive features of the community they wanted to preserve. They decided to challenge the fracking application.

The efforts of the community objecting to the planning application meant the process was escalated to a public enquiry. Dart Energy hired the same lawyer as Donald Trump while the anti-fracking group had to raise £75,000 through crowd funding to be able to afford a lawyer. The witnesses offered their services for free. The community campaign has had a considerable impact on the road to the current moratorium.

There is now a moratorium on fracking. However, this does not cover underground coal gasification. The date for the public consultation date has only been pushed back again and again. Groups are sceptical of the government's stance on fracking and there is lots of work to be done to convert the moratorium into a full ban. 

Pete Cannell said that we needed to look into the science of climate change. The overwhelming majority of scientists say that climate change is happening, with the opposition more and more confined to the major corporations.

Pete said that he used to work on modelling non-linear systems with feedback mechanisms.  As an example, temperature rises lead to the release of more methane into the atmosphere which in turn lead to an acceleration in temperature rises.

During the Ice Age there the carbon ratio was 185 per million. During Temperate periods it was about 280 per million. It has now risen to 400 per million.

Our generation is the one that will need to do something about this. Naomi Klein's book, This Changes Everything, argues that the consequences of climate change are already with us, but will become worse over the next 20 years. There has been an increase in extreme weather events. This has an effect on food supplies and hence can lead to famines. However, the impact of this is uneven. It affects people according to their wealth. This could be seen with Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. The poorest people affected have still not returned.

Many people have focussed on the wars in the Middle East as the reason for the current wave of desperate migrants crossing the Mediterranean. One reason for these wars is the corporations desire to have strategic control over oil supplies.  However, increasing numbers are fleeing counties like Chad, Niger and Sudan, which are undergoing desertification due to man-induced climate change.

Naval ships that have been sent to the Mediterranean are also carrying armed forced to take over Libyan ports. The US state is now talking about the opportunities that climate change provides to intervene militarily in even more areas of the world.

We may even be seeing the first Water Wars in places like Somalia.

We need to be able to show an alternative vision. The Campaign Against Climate Change has produced a pamphlet to show that current cost of military expenditure could fund the transition renewable energy.

There need to be campaigns to provide insulated homes, and to move over to public transport provision.

Scotland has plenty of renewable energy sources, particularly wind and wave.

However, such concerns should also run through all our campaigns, including anti-poverty and housing.

Discussion

Roger argued that controlling population was needed and cited the Chinese one child policy.

He also said that we are up against deliberate neo-liberal attempts to deny climate change.

Eric said there were also neo-liberals who liked to blame climate change on overpopulation. Ric had made it quite plain that it was the rich and the type of society they promoted that was responsible for climate change.

Jamie pointed out that there was a direct link between a person's wealth and their carbon footprint.

Donny said that the county responsible for most of the world's pollution wasn't the most populous, but the USA.

If capitalism is to blame, then capitalism must be overthrown and replaced by a system which is under democratic control.  384 people control half of the world's wealth.

The Greens don't address the capitalist roots of the problem.

Stephen pointed out how Ratcliffe had threatened Grangemouth with closure within 15 years unless fracking was accepted. The fear of unemployment is powerful. This is why it is necessary to provide an economic alternative, or a Green New Deal.

? asked if electronic cars are the answer.

? suggested if we adopted vegetarianism this would help.

Pete said that neo-liberalism can not solve the problems we face. However, we have to go beyond a merely propaganda socialist alternative. This is why we should integrate key environmental concerns into our other campaigns. We want to take the majority with us. The Referendum Campaign showed the possibilities of getting wider involvement.

Ric said that electronic cars may well be better than petrol powered cars. However, this approach is still too individualistic. The provision of public transport has far more potential in limiting emissions. A planned approach to transport provision, including cycling, was needed.

He also agreed that the less dependence on animals the fewer the carbon emissions.
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He said that Edinburgh University denied that their investment policy should subject to any democratic control. Similarly Pension Funds deny their investors any real say on how their money is spent. We needed to open up more democratic spaces.

He agreed that capitalism was the cause of the current problem.

Ellen agreed that the issue of jobs was important. However, she pointed out that within the G20 countries corporations received $88 billion of public subsidies. Such vast sums of money could be invested in alternative jobs. Fracking only creates a minimum number of new jobs.

Ric said that people in Britain are currently amongst the most overworked. This affects people's health and leads to an unhappy, unequal society.

Allyson said that perhaps we needed to argue that it is not growth, or a higher GDP, that we need but increased redistribution.

Ric said that Nicola Sturgeon had been arguing that a less unequal society could also be a more productive society. The importance of this lies in a recognition that maybe we are measuring the wrong things The SNP government has established a National Performance Framework which looked to other things other than just GNP. It included pollution, health and wellbeing. However, the SNP is still largely committed to economic growth.

Pete said this meeting tied in well with the last one where we discussed austerity. Growth could not be equated with improvement. Poverty could increase alongside growth.

Eric argued that research in Italy, comparing towns dominated corporate business and those where there are more community, employee co-management firms, show that a reduction of inequality also leads to a reduction in conspicuous consumption.

Pat thanked the speakers for their contributions. She though that perhaps the best way forward would be for Edinburgh RIC to create a Working Group like the Economics WG which had produced the pamphlet, Myths, Lies and Austerity or the WG that had led to the Living Rent Campaign. She asked for volunteers to see her at the end of the meeting.

Allyson suggested that perhaps a WG could address the issue of the Scottish Office's National Performance Framework.

Alan argued that climate change was such an important issue that it should form part of the ongoing Scottish Left Unity talks.